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“Wealth is not a number. I don’t think it can be characterized very well by a number. It is the set of all transformations that you are capable of bringing about. That is your wealth. And if optimism is true, then there’s no limit to wealth.“

— David Deutsch

David Deutsch(@DavidDeutschOxf) is a visiting professor of physics at the Centre for Quantum Computation, a part of the Clarendon Laboratory at Oxford University, and an honorary fellow of Wolfson College, Oxford. He works on fundamental issues in physics, particularly the quantum theory of computation and information and especially constructor theory, which he is proposing as a new way of formulating laws of nature. He is the author ofThe Fabric of RealityandThe Beginning of Infinity, and he is an advocate of the philosophy ofKarl Popper.

Naval Ravikant(@naval)is the co-founder ofAirchatandAngelList.He has invested in more than 100 companies, including many mega-successes, such as Twitter, Uber, Notion, Opendoor, Postmates, and Wish. You can see his latest musings onAirchatand subscribe toNaval, his podcast on wealth and happiness, onApple Podcasts,Spotify,Overcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can also find his blog atnav.al.

For more Naval-plus-Tim, check outmy wildly popular interview with him from 2015(nominated for “Podcast of the Year”) and ourconversation from 2020.

Naval also co-piloted the interviews with Ethereum creatorVitalik Buterinand famed investorChris Dixon.

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#662: David Deutsch and Naval Ravikant — The Fabric of Reality, The Importance of Disobedience, The Inevitability of Artificial General Intelligence, Finding Good Problems, Redefining Wealth, Foundations of True Knowledge, Harnessing Optimism, Quantum Computing, and More

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Want to hearanother episode that ponders the nature of reality?有一个听my conversation with Professor Donald Hoffman, in which we discuss the science of consciousness, how perception may influence the physical world, the holographic model of the universe, panpsychism (and influential panpsychists), cosmological polytope, the use of hallucinogenic drugs to tap into deeper reality and interact with conscious agents, QBism, the probability of zero that humans evolved to see reality in full,and much more.

#585: Professor Donald Hoffman — The Case Against Reality, Beyond Spacetime, Rethinking Death, Panpsychism, QBism, and More

What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me knowin the comments.

SCROLL BELOW FOR LINKS AND SHOW NOTES…

SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

  • Connect withDavid Deutsch:

Website|Twitter

  • Connect withNaval Ravikant:

Website|Twitter|Airchat

RESOURCES PROVIDED BY NAVAL RAVIKANT

  1. Critical Rationalism Hub: A hub of relevant resources to learn all about our Critical Rationalism.
  2. ToKCast by Brett Hall:A podcast promoting optimism, unbounded progress and creative critical thinking using the best known explanations from fundamental physics and philosophy.
  3. Brett and Naval’s Podcasts onThe Beginning of Infinity,Part 1,Part 2, andinterview with David Deutsch.
  4. Airchat Science Channelwhere Brett and Naval discuss David’s work.
  5. Philosophy and the Real World: An Introduction to Karl Popperby Bryan Magee
  6. Aaron Stupple’s room on Airchatgoes through the book chapter-by-chapter with unique commentary.
  7. The Science of Can and Can’t: A Physicist’s Journey through the Land of Counterfactualsby Chiara Marletto
  8. Logan Chipkin’s interviewswith Chiara Marletto and other physicists working on constructor theory
  9. Taking Children Seriously website:Everything TCS related from what to do during a unique situation to the deep underlying explanation binding such a parenting style.
  10. Talk by David Deutsch:化学浮渣Dista的梦想nt Quasars

SHOW NOTES

  • [08:03] The impactThe Fabric of RealityandThe Beginning of Infinityhave had on Naval.
  • [10:07] The four strands.
  • [13:04] Dispelling common misconceptions about science.
  • [19:26] How does knowledge grow?
  • [24:26] The benefits of understanding the four strands.
  • [32:47] How quantum computing arose from trying to test a multiverse theory.
  • [37:40] What a good explanation looks like.
  • [42:43] How do conjecture and criticism give us a basis for optimism?
  • [48:38] Translating knowledge into action.
  • [51:20] Artificial intelligence (AI) vs. artificial general intelligence (AGI).
  • [56:54] AGI is people! But how do we ensure it’ll be good people?
  • [1:03:03] What’s taking AGI so long to get here?
  • [1:08:59] Chemical scum that dream of distant quasars.
  • [1:17:47] Are humans central to the universe, or just a sideshow?
  • [1:20:17] Wealth and resources.
  • [1:25:30] Recommended thinkers.
  • [1:28:05] Taking Children Seriously, ToKCast, Critical Rationalists, and Popper 101.
  • [1:31:55] David’s most interesting problems right now.
  • [1:39:24] Parting thoughts.

MORE DAVID DEUTSCH QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW

“In many ways, our institutions are wiser than we are. “
— David Deutsch

“AI [artificial intelligence] has nothing to do with AGI [artificial general intelligence]. It’s a completely different technology, and it is in many ways the opposite of AGI … An AGI can do anything, whereas an AI can only do the narrow thing that it’s supposed to do.”
— David Deutsch

“Even the most careful scientific observation is all theory-laden, and theories are inherently fallible.”
— David Deutsch

“Good explanations begin with bad explanations. And you get there—between the bad explanation and the good explanation—by criticism, by conjecturing variance of the story, and then criticizing both them and the original story, and then choosing the one that survives the criticism. And then you can move on from there to a better thing.”
— David Deutsch

“Knowledge can live inside our DNA and our genes, and the genes that are correct and useful get replicated—not just in the universe, but possibly even in the multiverse.”
— David Deutsch

“Wealth is not a number. I don’t think it can be characterized very well by a number. It is the set of all transformations that you are capable of bringing about. That is your wealth. And if optimism is true, then there’s no limit to wealth.“
— David Deutsch

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  1. Wanted to love this so much, but Professor Deutsch lost me. Absolutely impossible to follow along without hours and hours of deep reading and understanding prior to listening.

    This episode proved to me how rare (and valuable) clear, simple communication is. These breakthrough ideas mean nothing if normies like me can’t grep them.

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  2. OK — listened to the whole thing. I really like Deutsch’s concept of wealth (Cross-paradigmatic thinking, cross-subject thinking generates better quality of life.) Really think that Naval should petition to be David’s editor.

    What’s missing — David hasn’t come to terms that all the universe is really information, and for a quantum physicist, is somewhat weak in how all this works. There are fractal/multifractal stacks in all of this. But you have to have a system of really understanding the structure of knowledge, as well as how that is created. The universe we move in is physical, genetic, and memetic.

    Curious to me how the universe is moving, following Peter Attia’s with this one — the same big meta-questions!

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  3. Imagine you can send/sell your book as a literary NFT, directly in to a wallet of a reader. And they could sell or give it forward to another wallet and you can track the transactions and send additional perks to the holder. It the future. Ive built the MVP. Meta Boos are becoming a reality. Ill love to show more

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  4. I’ve read David Deutsch’s books, seen his (superb) TED Talks and a number of other interviews, so I came into this with some preparation. That said, I think David is bar none the most exciting and fascinating thinker alive, and I thought this conversation was extraordinary. I am grateful to Tim and Naval for making it available. So many threads to follow up on… Thanks!

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